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Dobber
6 Jun 2007, 16:38
What's your pleasure?

NikeBG
6 Jun 2007, 16:42
A beer and a finishing sequence (plus a publisher) of our second Tavern Story! ;)

Hawk Knight
6 Jun 2007, 16:45
Well bartender a XXL beer plz :)

GogoT
6 Jun 2007, 16:55
Zagorka :) :D

Dobber
6 Jun 2007, 16:56
Greetings

Your beers are served!

This round on the house!





EDIT- If we should start another story here, do you think that maybe it should have it's own thread for the story segments and then comments made here!

NikeBG
6 Jun 2007, 17:02
A new story?! :eek: I don't think we'll find enough bards willing to right now... :rolleyes:

And thanks for the beer! :cheers: Hey, where's my beer?! It's gone! Somebody must have drank it! Drunkards!
Frujin, could you also add the :cheers: smiley? ;)

Dobber
6 Jun 2007, 17:06
Hey, where's my beer?!


You have to watch Hawk Knight very close!



And as for a second story, you were the first to mention that possibility!

NikeBG
6 Jun 2007, 17:58
Hmm, Hawk, mate, care to "buy" me a beer? :rolleyes:

Dobber, our current story already is the second one. The first one is the unfinished "Love & Schemes", which made Elvain start using his current nick... ;) Do you remember it - there were so many bards, who aren't with us now, like Henrik, Sir Turylon, Haegemon, Heretic and others... Cheers in their virtual memory!

Hawk Knight
6 Jun 2007, 18:17
Hmm, Hawk, mate, care to "buy" me a beer? :rolleyes:

Dobber, our current story already is the second one. The first one is the unfinished "Love & Schemes", which made Elvain start using his current nick... ;) Do you remember it - there were so many bards, who aren't with us now, like Henrik, Sir Turylon, Haegemon, Heretic and others... Cheers in their virtual memory!

yeah can still remeber that story. was a good story with many bards I had wrote also in that story ;) the beers are free you know.



You have to watch Hawk Knight very close!



why me ? :confused: :eek: :p

Rnett
6 Jun 2007, 18:31
Another MacGruders......:p

Kuno
6 Jun 2007, 19:40
A beer please!

Well I guess a new story could be a good idea. I guess the old one went already so far that it is hard for new Bards to jump in.

I once had in mind that we could start a story by first creating 2-3 imaginary kingdoms (or even some kingdoms from KoH) and then everyone could take up a position he liked like king, spy, marshall... but I never had time to really work out a concept and I think as well that it would need probably some more bards than the remaining ones...

Mephistopheles
6 Jun 2007, 20:37
@Kuno: I like the idea, but it'd definitely need more than 6 or better 9 bards to go well. However the story would nicely allow new bards to enter the story, so even if we start with fewer bards than desireable we could propably recruit enough later on.
@Story: Generally I'd like to finish the old story before starting something different. We have put so much effort into the old one that it'd be sad to see it end so closely before being finished.

Oh, and, that beer there *points at a fresh pint behind the bar* is mine, yes? *grabs before anyone can answer*
We need a :cheers: smiley! Quick! I'm thirsty!

Kuno
6 Jun 2007, 20:58
Yes, of course we should finish the old one first, but I rather thought we afterwards better start a completely new one than just giving the old a new storyline like "Oh, a letter from China has arrived, we're needed there!"

Btw, that's my beer you greedy old devil (;)) . *tries to grab the beer back from Mephisto*

I'm reaing "Faust" for my final exams at the moment, jut came to your quote couple of minutes ago...:D

Richard
6 Jun 2007, 21:27
A nice cold drink would be nice. The journey from the old tavern to here was a long one. ;)

Xuca
6 Jun 2007, 21:31
Well, I am all for a new story. I'm not writing in the present one because, well, I lost track of it and it has become too hard for me to participate in (large battles and stuff is where my creativity dies).

Doux
6 Jun 2007, 21:39
A tavern to relax. Good idea, o lord!

Dobber
7 Jun 2007, 01:43
Dobber, our current story already is the second one. The first one is the unfinished "Love & Schemes", which made Elvain start using his current nick... ;) Do you remember it - there were so many bards, who aren't with us now, like Henrik, Sir Turylon, Haegemon, Heretic and others... Cheers in their virtual memory!


Love & Schemes(which I have read none of, sorry :o ), was not a Tavern Story was it? Didn't the Tavern come along after that.

Love & Schemes was back in the Royal Inn days, I believe, wasn't it?

skycycle
7 Jun 2007, 05:53
get me a bloody mary, would you :))))

Dobber
7 Jun 2007, 07:33
Greetings Richard, How about a cold beer for something cold to drink?

Welcome, skycycle! Your Bloody Mary is served!

NikeBG
7 Jun 2007, 12:51
Love & Schemes(which I have read none of, sorry :o ), was not a Tavern Story was it? Didn't the Tavern come along after that.

Love & Schemes was back in the Royal Inn days, I believe, wasn't it?

Oh, I'm not sure, it was so loooooooooong ago! But perhaps it was indeed when the SF forums were only KoH ones... :rolleyes:
Damm, that reminded me that I should make a back-up of Love & Scheme too!


Btw, thanks to the admins for the :cheers:! Kamenitza for everybody, especially the one, who has brought it, on my account! :cheers:



Edit: Btw, could somebody indeed explain me the current strategic situation in our story? I know only that I'm fighting somewhere near Angry, who came down with his cavalry and pushed the Romeans back. But, as someone else had written, are we fighting also with the Arabs or they haven't arrived? I feel a bit inspired right now, but don't know what to write, as I lost track of events...

Kuno
7 Jun 2007, 13:04
As far as I know we fight against a allied army of Romans AND Arabs, at least this is the way I understood it. But I read somewhere as well that the Arabs aren't here yet...

Mephistopheles
7 Jun 2007, 15:24
The paragraph about the arabs is a bit confusing. I'll sum up everything before that:
When the battle was well organized last time it was me fighting to the east of adrianople (I was the westmost leader) facing south, Traveller east of me, then Kuno and Dobber in a rearward position and in the far east Hawk Knight and Richard's troops fighting a contingent of arab mounted troops. Richard died, but his and Hawk Knight's troops prevailed and saved that section of the battle.
During that Dobber decided to split his troops. He sent some to me, some to Traveller I think and remained with only few. Kuno's troops were by then engaged somewhere along Traveller's section.
After having dealt with the far east section Hawk Knight sent some reinforcements to me and then launched an attack on the main battle-section of Traveller, Kuno and me from the east (so the town Adrianople to the west, Traveller, Kuno, and me in one line facing south, with the romans opposing us and being attacked by Hawk Knight from the east, basically flanked). When the reinforcements Dobber and Hawk Knight gave to me finally arrived I immediately threw them into the battle (that was that last charge I wrote about).
Hawk Knight then added that he commanded some rather myterious troops in the south to attack the romans from the rear and in one sentence he said that there were other arab troops having some business with boarding or unboarding ships somewhere (adrianople is not at the coast, so I don't know what that means).
But generally all roman and arab troops are now engaged in the battle, aswell as all our troops are. Right now our troops have the upper hand and we're eroding the romans. In my last post I jumped to a bit of text that was written the day after the battle, so at least I survived it and I said we managed to drive the romans away.

About the text above: When I write 'roman' troops I always mean 'roman and arab' troops since they are allied and mostly act together.
I hope that helps. :go:

[Edit] I wonder wether I should copy this to the old thread. Or do we continue here?

NikeBG
7 Jun 2007, 16:42
Thanks for the great explanation, Angry... uhm, Mephisto...
And perhaps it would be indeed best to try and finish the story there!

So, what do we need to finish the story now? We (you)'re all writing just about the development of the battle, who will put the final end to it? And one more thing - shall we then march to Constantinople (and if yes - what will we do there - negotiate having the upper hand, assault it or something else?) or having suffered too much casualties we'd call it a "draw" (or "pyrrhic victory") and end like that?

Mephistopheles
7 Jun 2007, 16:55
My personal roadmap:
- Every bard who wishes to do so should write down any battle experience he wants to express. Hack'n Slay.
- Since the roman troops are being eroded everyone else can also start writing about meeting in sections where the battle has already died. This should be the next step forward in time.
- We should sum up our campaign and the battle. We were almost defeated and most of our troops lie slain on the field. What shall we do with such a decimated force?
- We should decide what to do with what we conquered and what territory to claim from the romans.
- Declare our campaign successful, decide what to do with our spoils and call it quits.

That's my personal plot. Feel free to spoil my plans any time. :)

Navatar
7 Jun 2007, 22:59
I would like to have a Smirnoff Ice, if you got any. Does this Tavern has the same paying-principle as the Tavern at the Inn? Tell-to-pay?

I see you are already on the move for yet another story. And I got one thing to tell you; Count me in! :D


Oh, and hi yall! Greetings to all the 'regulars' and let us get our backs into it and make this forum as great as the Sunflower one is. :go:

Dobber
8 Jun 2007, 02:39
NaVatar, your Smirnoff Ice is served! :D

Navatar
8 Jun 2007, 09:26
Smashing! Oh, and please call me Navatar, that big V is just in the way ;)

PS; Good god, I love that drink. If it wasn't so expensive in real life I would buy a lifetime-supply of them :D

Richard
8 Jun 2007, 21:55
Mephistopheles = angryminer?
Have you been playing Diablo 2 or something lol?
Good old mephisto, The Lord of hatred.

elvain
8 Jun 2007, 22:37
Mephistopheles = angryminer?
Have you been playing Diablo 2 or something lol?
Good old mephisto, The Lord of hatred.
I guess he's just Goethe's Faust's lover ;)

Mephistopheles
8 Jun 2007, 23:53
Yes, the quote from my signature is the same as the one I used on the Sunflowers boards from Goethe's Faust. It's where the devil, a.k.a. Mephistopheles introduces himself to the main character, Faust. I just looked up a translation by George Madison Priest of the scene: Faust: What is your name?
Mephistopheles: The question seems but cheap
From one who for the Word has such contempt,
Who from all outward show is quite exempt
And only into beings would delve deep.
Faust: The being of such gentlemen as you, indeed,
In general, from your titles one can read.
It shows itself but all too plainly when men dub
You Liar or Destroyer or Beelzebub.
Well now, who are you then?
Mephistopheles: Part of that Power which would
The Evil ever do, and ever does the Good.
Faust: A riddle! Say what it implies!
Mephistopheles: I am the Spirit that denies!
And rightly too; for all that doth begin
Should rightly to destruction run;
'Twere better then that nothing were begun.
Thus everything that you call Sin,
Destruction - in a word, as Evil represent-
That is my own, real element.The bold part is the one in my signature. I kind of affiliate myself with that quote. :)

I don't use the nickname Angryminer since years actually. The sunflowers-account is really just a relic of old times.

Dobber
9 Jun 2007, 05:06
Smashing! Oh, and please call me Navatar, that big V is just in the way ;)



Sorry, I didn't realize you had changed from the capital V of the other forum!

Here have another Smirnofff on the house!:cheers:

Navatar
9 Jun 2007, 12:19
Here have another Smirnofff on the house!:cheers:

Why thank you Dobber, that's mighty kind of you :)

FrankishHero
9 Jun 2007, 19:45
Hardy-har me shivering mateys! I wish to claim copyright if our story gets published, after all, I started the entire thing with the cowlaunching in the Mercia! \o/

Dobber
9 Jun 2007, 22:06
Hardy-har me shivering mateys! I wish to claim copyright if our story gets published, after all, I started the entire thing with the cowlaunching in the Mercia! \o/



Hhmmmm! The first two recorded posts in the compilation thread "The story thread", are by the knightly sword!

Apparently your cowslinging came afterward, I couldn't find it before that in the thread!

Navatar
9 Jun 2007, 22:34
TKS was the "inventor" and FrankishKnight was the "starter"

So if TKS isn't the rightfull "owner" then neither are you FrankishHero, because your not FrankishKnight :p

Haha, just pulling your leg.

In any case, isn't the story owned, by law, by Sunflowers?

FrankishHero
9 Jun 2007, 23:06
As read in the story, I am the son of FrankishKnight. I can therefor claim copyright posthumously through heritage.

Dobber
10 Jun 2007, 02:53
The first posts of the story were from the knightly sword, not FrankishKnight!

FrankishHero
10 Jun 2007, 03:39
Maybe now would be a good idea to tell you of my other alias...?

Dobber
10 Jun 2007, 06:55
Yeah right, now you are going to tell us you are tks! You cannot sell that!

FrankishHero
10 Jun 2007, 15:02
i can type like tks though

Navatar
10 Jun 2007, 20:29
That's not really special. A blind man can type like TKS (perhaps better?) :D

Hawk Knight
12 Jun 2007, 11:35
true a blind man can type better then tks :) but frankish your not tks so :p

Navatar
12 Jun 2007, 21:29
Yeah, if FH really is/was TKS then that would have caused some conflicts at specific times. Like at msn-conversations and similar things. :p

NikeBG
13 Jun 2007, 12:43
Yeah, if FH really is/was TKS then that would have caused some conflicts at specific times. Like at msn-conversations and similar things. :p

Absolutely! Although you can indeed "meet" me in a mutli-chat in MSN with two accounts (work account - Windows Messenger, personal account - Windows Live), so it wouldn't be impossible for Frankish either... ;)

Rnett
14 Jun 2007, 21:24
So do we need multi profiles over here too?:eek:

Xuca
14 Jun 2007, 21:46
Of course we do! It's all a part of the forum! ;)

Dobber
14 Jun 2007, 22:04
So do we need multi profiles over here too?:eek:


I am still trying to figure out which of the others I want to bring with me here!:D

Dobber
16 Jun 2007, 03:27
Do we not have any thirsty lads around?

Xuca
16 Jun 2007, 10:41
Give all of them a beer or anything they like on me, bartender! :)

NikeBG
16 Jun 2007, 14:43
I've already got a beer here, but I wouldn't mind something to eat. Eric (or is Dobber the bar's host now?), what's your specialty? :)

Dobber
17 Jun 2007, 00:51
Beer here for all, compliments of Xuca!

Nike, we have some cold roast beef and a bit of cheese. Other than that all we have are the bar nuts and chips! We are just getting opened after all. Other faree will come later. Just let it be known what type fare you desire and we will see about getting it in the cupboard!

NikeBG
17 Jun 2007, 14:12
Nuts? I love nuts, thanks! :D
Btw, you don't have to call me NikeBG, you know - Nike or even Niki would be enough (or Traveller, if you prefer :P).

Dobber
17 Jun 2007, 17:21
Nike is good, much quicker to type! :)

Navatar
18 Jun 2007, 01:17
Hey Nike, stop eating all the nuts! Leave some to us!

Oh, and I would like to have that roast beef, please, even though it's cold. I'm hungry like a newly born three headed python! Bring out a Smirnoff Ice also, if you may ;)

(and yes, three headed pythons are very hungry indeed)

Dobber
18 Jun 2007, 05:44
Here is a plate of beef, and a chunk of bread, eat, eat, there is plenty! If we run out we will just go kill another of the King's cows!

And here is your drink, be sure not to drink on an empty stomach, we cannot have you sick!

FrankishHero
19 Jun 2007, 01:17
Everyone can call me PJ tbh.

Hawk Knight
19 Jun 2007, 10:42
Hawk comes into the tavern and the nhe hears the WORD :eek:

Hawk grabs a fish and throws it at pj because he said the PJ word :p

then walks to the bar and orders a XXL Beer

FrankishHero
19 Jun 2007, 14:51
*picks up the fish, pulls out the pin and throws it back*

PJ isn't a word, it's an acronym.

Navatar
19 Jun 2007, 16:35
Bartender! Got some ruffians over here! They are spreading dirt and fishes all over my beef!

FrankishHero
19 Jun 2007, 16:52
Bartender! Got a Swede over here! He's singing songs by BassHunter!

Navatar
19 Jun 2007, 18:39
Why you little! :evil:

;)

Dobber
20 Jun 2007, 09:44
Hey now calm down guys! Don't force me to call on the Bouncer!

And where the hell did the fish come from? I don't have any fish in here! Take that nasty thing back outside!

Here is your XXL beer Hawk Knight! :cheers:

NikeBG
20 Jun 2007, 12:43
Hey, fish is good for... uhm, I don't remember what it was good for, but I remember that it was good for something. Memory, I think... Yeah, it should be memory, so tell us where you've found that fish and let's cook some! :)

Hawk Knight
20 Jun 2007, 23:20
Got the fish from the local market. Bouncer where where :eek: Who ever the bouncer is i just throw a fish at him or a giant cow. Which came out of Navatar Boots :D.

With the cow we got something new to eat. So bartender get the ale and get a fire going up to get uss all some food :D and you must eat some too he. ;)

Dobber
20 Jun 2007, 23:59
Hey, I'm just the bartender, I ain't the cook! I just serve what is made available. Maybe someone wants to be the cook?

Navatar
21 Jun 2007, 00:53
I would have voluenterd if it wasn't for my bad cooking.

I'm feeling thirsty and it's getting late. What does the bartender recommend as a night-drink?

Dobber
21 Jun 2007, 02:17
A good shot of Brandy would be good just before bed!

FrankishHero
21 Jun 2007, 03:01
Navatar is 17. Bad suggestion I think. ;)

I'd like an XXL-beer, serve one to everyone! Oh, and give Navatar a diet soda.

Navatar
21 Jun 2007, 03:44
Time for a update FH, I turned eighteen the 2nd May. I believe I even told you that :p

I'll take that shot of brandy, grab my teddybear and go to sleep then, no?

FrankishHero
21 Jun 2007, 18:18
You told me no such thing.

Navatar
21 Jun 2007, 18:38
No, that's because you already knew!

And I have proof (http://pici.se/77547)! :p

Dobber
22 Jun 2007, 00:50
Children, children! :)

FrankishHero
22 Jun 2007, 02:51
I have proof that you look like BassHunter.

Xuca
22 Jun 2007, 22:20
Show us!

Doux
23 Jun 2007, 01:04
Anyway, with this systembolaget in Sweden I'd rather get my drinks somewhere else too. Especially when under twenty..

Kuno
23 Jun 2007, 13:17
Here as well: Dobber, please serve a last round on my costs and goodbye. See you next weekend, probably...:cheers:

Dobber
23 Jun 2007, 18:58
Here, here, a round on Kuno! Everyone enjoy!


We will keep a spot warm for you for when you return, Kuno!

Doux
23 Jun 2007, 22:57
Well, a special beer on Kuno's return then, please!

FrankishHero
25 Jun 2007, 05:26
Cheers Kuno, come back soon!

Hawk Knight
10 Jul 2007, 12:15
Bartender a XXL beer plz :)

Frujin
10 Jul 2007, 14:07
Sigh, we are renovating our offices - means some hardware work :) Aah, my waist hurts .. Bartender, two cold beers please!

Dobber
10 Jul 2007, 17:29
XXL beer for Hawk Knight!

Two cold beers for Frujin!

Enjoy!

Shouldn't you be supervising that work and letting others do it? It would be easier on your back!

Mephistopheles
10 Jul 2007, 17:59
Mental note: Do not become an employee of Dobber. ;)

NikeBG
11 Jul 2007, 16:26
Hahaha! :D
Frujin, do you need some help in Sunday? I'm sitting at my job nearly whole day, so I could use some exercise (especially if it's in the BSS offices)! ;)

Frujin
11 Jul 2007, 17:16
Frujin, do you need some help in Sunday? I'm sitting at my job nearly whole day, so I could use some exercise (especially if it's in the BSS offices)!

What you do for a living?

NikeBG
11 Jul 2007, 18:20
Uhm... Game tester... :rolleyes: No, seriously! For cell-phone games though, but nevertheless...

Rnett
14 Jul 2007, 22:58
Uhm... Game tester... :rolleyes: No, seriously! For cell-phone games though, but nevertheless...


Ideal candidate for a paintbrush...:D

Remo
15 Jul 2007, 00:54
uh uh bartender whers' the eee..*sight* bathordoom? ... bardrom... bradom....murdebat.............. *geez* toilet?

gimmie a beer geez..

Dobber
15 Jul 2007, 08:29
Here is your beer!

Not sure what else you were asking about!

Bern
25 Jul 2007, 17:47
Bartender a, b-...be-...ber-...no, ugh...bue-...just give me an alcoholic beverage please!

Navatar
26 Jul 2007, 18:36
Hey Dobber, did you build this tavern on a ancestral dyslexic burial ground?

Dobber
26 Jul 2007, 21:39
Something is sure affecting people! :D


Beers are served!

elvain
27 Jul 2007, 10:15
guys I'm going to leave tomorrow for a week for a rafting trip to Slovakia and then visit a music festival in west Bohemia...

could I have one beer please? before I leave... :)

Dobber
27 Jul 2007, 10:17
Your beer is served! Have a nice trip!

Doux
27 Jul 2007, 12:55
One last beer, please! I'm leaving tomorrow as well. I wish everybody a nice vacation! :cool::go:

Frujin
27 Jul 2007, 18:13
Cheers! :)

elvain
27 Jul 2007, 21:03
thanks Dobber, and nice vacation also to you Doux :go:

PS: I believe you kept some nice cake for us and it will be revealed while at least me and Doux will be away :D

Dobber
28 Jul 2007, 07:29
Beers are up! Drink your fill!

Laudan
28 Jul 2007, 09:03
o man, i am very thirsty, my head is full of bad dreams about knights of honor and numbers!
Hey, give me a beer, no wait , two or more is better for me. PotzBlitz, i must go tomorrow in the desert of knights of honor....i forgot anything...hmm.

Frankoman
28 Jul 2007, 21:26
May I have a beer please? :D

Actually, canI have 9 shots of Brandy?

Dobber
28 Jul 2007, 22:07
Laudan, your beers are served!

And Frankoman, how a bout we start with a couple of shots of Brandy and go from there!

IWM
29 Jul 2007, 06:06
I want a mineral Water please!
I don't want beer because I don't like (and it break the rule!)

NikeBG
29 Jul 2007, 10:47
I already have some nice cold beer (phew, temperatures here might go below 30 soon - yaaay), but I need something to eat! Damm, I'm starving! Dobber, where are the bar's peanuts? I'm so hungry that I can't find them... :rolleyes:

Rnett
29 Jul 2007, 22:37
Why only 9 shots....:cheers:

Dobber
30 Jul 2007, 08:49
Mineral water, coming up!

Damn! Who made off with the munchies? I cannot keep munchies stocked! Someone keeps slipping off with them!

Xuca
30 Jul 2007, 11:25
*with full mouth* I hafe no ifea who houlf fo fush a fhinh!

IWM
31 Jul 2007, 16:20
Oh! The Water Feels so Good!:) :go: :) :Drink it again: Want More please!

Navatar
2 Aug 2007, 02:24
*also with a full mouth*

I fink I sawh the hief ove fhere! He fan vehy fasf!
Cahn I haf a Sminoff ishe, pfease?

Hawk Knight
2 Aug 2007, 17:29
Bartender a good old XXl beer plz. You can give me a xxl glass as i;m the inventor of it so :p

IWM
4 Aug 2007, 03:09
an XXXL Coke please

IWM
4 Aug 2007, 11:02
Where is the Bartender?

elvain
4 Aug 2007, 13:02
I hope he's having nice time away from internet :)

Rnett
4 Aug 2007, 20:50
Called in sick, so self serve now....:go:

Frankoman
5 Aug 2007, 05:26
Okay Dobber you win. I'll take em' slowly.

*12 shots later*

Ohhhskkkyy... ONnee more doosherr... juhhsshhhhhtt onnne muhh shhhhhhhott...

Dobber
5 Aug 2007, 05:35
I hope he's having nice time away from internet :)


Hehe, a very nice time indeed! With my son visiting his sister and me and the wife at home by ourselves, need I say more! :D

Dobber
5 Aug 2007, 05:51
Hawk Knight your xxl beer is seved!

IWM, are you sure you are old enough for a Coke? :D

IWM
5 Aug 2007, 09:26
I want just Coca Cola please! Or maybe Fanta??:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

elvain
5 Aug 2007, 11:55
I want just Coca Cola please! Or maybe Fanta??:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

oh they are all more of an acid than a "good drink" don't you like fresh juices? from my own experience in southern countries they are simply awsome (compared to what you can buy in the "north" :go:

Dobber
5 Aug 2007, 21:39
I want just Coca Cola please! Or maybe Fanta??:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Have you ever seen what colas do to raw ground beef?

But it is your stomach, so here you are!

Navatar
5 Aug 2007, 21:46
I found this note (http://harpsworld.com/jokes/watercoke.html) on the bar counter. I found it quite interresting to read.

Oh bartender, *flashes id-card* may I have a Smirnoff Ice, please?

Dobber
5 Aug 2007, 22:06
Your Smirnoff is served!

Xuca
5 Aug 2007, 22:14
I found this note (http://harpsworld.com/jokes/watercoke.html) on the bar counter. I found it quite interresting to read.

Oh bartender, *flashes id-card* may I have a Smirnoff Ice, please?

They tested these Coke myths in Mythbusters. If I remember correctly, Coke was completely busted. :D

IWM
7 Aug 2007, 14:17
WTF??!!!
Now I don't want the Cola(at least not here:) ) Give me FANTA!

NikeBG
7 Aug 2007, 19:22
Is there any difference between Cola and Fanta (and Sprite) anyway - it's still made the same way, right?

Btw, thanks to that site I'm now on Mursala ice-tea too! :D

Frankoman
8 Aug 2007, 01:35
*recovering from those shots of Brandy*

cahn I hayve 5 cahns of Cooke, myyy good friuuhnd.

IWM
8 Aug 2007, 03:00
Just want to Ask?
Is Knights of Honor Made with C++?
Because C is pretty long to write
And Delphi is very expensive.
Maybe Phyton but I don't know wether the 2003-2004 version as good as now.
SO maybe it's right the C++

Richard
8 Aug 2007, 03:36
Well after drinking all the wine in Eric's tavern:cheers: I would like a nice strong espresso.

Shall we begin a new tell of the brave men in arms? Maybe about the future of what's left of the human race?

Remo
8 Aug 2007, 04:49
WHere's the vodka bartenderrrrr *sigh*

Dobber
8 Aug 2007, 05:40
Just want to Ask?
Is Knights of Honor Made with C++?
Because C is pretty long to write
And Delphi is very expensive.
Maybe Phyton but I don't know wether the 2003-2004 version as good as now.
SO maybe it's right the C++


I think that is something to be asked elsewhere on the forum! It is not a topic for the barroom!

Dobber
8 Aug 2007, 05:41
drinks are served!

IWM
8 Aug 2007, 06:24
THX Dobber!
9 more days until Independence day of Indonesia!

Frankoman
8 Aug 2007, 22:40
*cries* Goodbye SunFlower.

IWM
9 Aug 2007, 10:59
Indonesia Raya Merdeka merdeka tanahku negeriku semuanya
Indonesia Raya Merdeka merdeka

Navatar
9 Aug 2007, 13:30
Du gamla, Du fria, Du fjällhöga nord
Du tysta, Du glädjerika sköna!

Please post in english. Otherwise it may cause unnecessary confusion ;)

IWM
9 Aug 2007, 13:54
Hehe, that was a quote of my national song!(or Hymn?)
The title is Indonesia Raya!
I want to tell you the song!
But it seems that I must get you the video

IWM
9 Aug 2007, 14:15
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hkxehrXU3tM
Link to Indonesia Raya Video.
Note: From 00:01 to 01:30 are the official Indonesia Raya from 1958.
The Rest are the original from W.R. Soepratman himself.
Sorry but the text are in old Indonesian Languange:o
The new one are different (henceforth call by me by EYD)
Note: The Title now is Indonesia Raya but the one in Video (text) is Indonesia Raja

Mircoslavux
9 Aug 2007, 19:35
I need to get drunk..I'm very sad today....:rolleyes: :sad: :cry:

elvain
9 Aug 2007, 19:37
come on, Mirco, why? :sad:

Mircoslavux
9 Aug 2007, 19:38
come on, Mirco, why? :sad:

somehow, I'm tired with my life...I dunno...just feeling..

elvain
9 Aug 2007, 19:50
so let's go and do some of your favourite rituals ;)

watch some of your favourite movies or listen to some music you like, nothing too positive but also nothing completely negative...

but drinking does never help, my friend, it only postpones the "tiredness" to tomorrow and makes it even worse ;)

Mircoslavux
9 Aug 2007, 19:57
but drinking does never help, my friend, it only postpones the "tiredness" to tomorrow and makes it even worse ;)

you are very right....I was never drunk till now, (len do naladicky aj to zriedka),

I will sleep over it.....you know, sometimes (for me very seldom), one will reach a bottom of his sinusoid and that moment is now...I should kick with my legs and go on the top, but I have no power to do that...

Rnett
10 Aug 2007, 18:06
Have a cup of coffee then...

Navatar
11 Aug 2007, 01:12
I need Smirnoff Ice for the road. I'm going camping with some close friends tomorrow on a teeny-weeny little island :)

Dobber
12 Aug 2007, 11:01
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hkxehrXU3tM
Link to Indonesia Raya Video.
Note: From 00:01 to 01:30 are the official Indonesia Raya from 1958.
The Rest are the original from W.R. Soepratman himself.
Sorry but the text are in old Indonesian Languange:o
The new one are different (henceforth call by me by EYD)
Note: The Title now is Indonesia Raya but the one in Video (text) is Indonesia Raja

For things such as this please start a separate thread! Polotics are not allowed in this Tavern.

IWM
13 Aug 2007, 17:59
Sorry!

Hawk Knight
14 Aug 2007, 01:42
Bartender a glass of whiskey plz. Need a strong drink before going to bed :)

Other people drink water before going to bed but I drink alcohol before going to bed :cheers:

Dobber
14 Aug 2007, 22:10
Your whiskey, Mr Knight!

Mircoslavux
15 Aug 2007, 13:49
help , I need some slovakian beer, here (swiss) I can not buy it (only from brothers Czechs)..:bash: :go: :D

IWM
15 Aug 2007, 14:20
Water Please!
And can anyone tell me to destroy this fu#king spyware??
It say that it just finished scan and there ARE spyware in my computer.I click it and it bring me to(install without my permission!!:evil: :evil: ) Virus Protect Pro.I click on Clean and it say that I have to pay 30 BuckS!!! and yet this Honourably Spyware claim itself to be free!!:evil: :evil:

Carbon
15 Aug 2007, 17:59
Water Please!
And can anyone tell me to destroy this fu#king spyware??
It say that it just finished scan and there ARE spyware in my computer.I click it and it bring me to(install without my permission!!:evil: :evil: ) Virus Protect Pro.I click on Clean and it say that I have to pay 30 BuckS!!! and yet this Honourably Spyware claim itself to be free!!:evil: :evil:

It's possibly a free trial, and now it ran out and you have to pay to continue using it.

Dobber
16 Aug 2007, 05:01
Water Please!
And can anyone tell me to destroy this fu#king spyware??
It say that it just finished scan and there ARE spyware in my computer.I click it and it bring me to(install without my permission!!:evil: :evil: ) Virus Protect Pro.I click on Clean and it say that I have to pay 30 BuckS!!! and yet this Honourably Spyware claim itself to be free!!:evil: :evil:


My son wound up with that on his PC, and it totally took over! It is worse than the spyware it proclaims to find on your PC. It hijacked his browser and everytime you clicked on the internet it brought up Virus Protect Pro website and the warning to clean the spyware(but with buying the program to do so). When I tried to go to Spybot S & D site it blocked me. I had to go to downloads.com and download both Spybot Search & Destroy(free version) and Adaware 2007(free version) to completely remove it from his computer.

IWM
16 Aug 2007, 11:27
I have Destroyed the Fuc#ing Spyware using S&D! It took me a good while for the update!
I have S&D from 2006

Rnett
16 Aug 2007, 22:49
I cant find the dart board in this place...:bash:

Dobber
17 Aug 2007, 07:45
Damn! Who took the dart board? First the munchies, now the dart board!

IWM
17 Aug 2007, 08:42
Tea please!:)
And I suspect a thief here:( :(

Mircoslavux
17 Aug 2007, 14:44
Damn! Who took the dart board? First the munchies, now the dart board!


there were some foreigners - so called specialists for acupuncture (:go: :crushed: and they need to train on something....)

Rnett
18 Aug 2007, 20:40
Well I hope they bring it back.

Mephistopheles
18 Aug 2007, 22:18
I don't think they will. But if they do, be sure to desinfect the darts with some liquor ;) .

Doux
19 Aug 2007, 13:52
Well, I guess I'm back from vacation now. I wouldn't ask for a pálinka here, I don't like it at all. Had a tiny glass of it - it smells and tastes like you could desinfect darts with it, for instance..

Do you have borsodi sör here, Dobber? If so, I would like one, if not, I'd like a cool glass of the local beer.

elvain
19 Aug 2007, 14:00
Well, I guess I'm back from vacation now. I wouldn't ask for a pálinka here, I don't like it at all. Had a tiny glass of it - it smells and tastes like you could desinfect darts with it, for instance..where were you on your vacation?

btw, pálenka is used (at least in Slovakia where I drink it the most) also as desinfection. It is some kind of local medicine - if you have some stomach problems, it "cleans" it all :go:

IWM
19 Aug 2007, 17:14
where were you on your vacation?

btw, pálenka is used (at least in Slovakia where I drink it the most) also as desinfection. It is some kind of local medicine - if you have some stomach problems, it "cleans" it all :go:

Hahahahahahahahahahaaha LOL
:D Great Joke!

Doux
19 Aug 2007, 18:08
where were you on your vacation?

btw, pálenka is used (at least in Slovakia where I drink it the most) also as desinfection. It is some kind of local medicine - if you have some stomach problems, it "cleans" it all :go:I was in Magyarország: Hungary. I guess there are many variants of pálinka (including the name), in România, Slovensko and thus where I was. I doubt if it is good for any stomach - a healthy one or not :p

Mircoslavux
21 Aug 2007, 10:26
I was in Magyarország: Hungary. I guess there are many variants of pálinka (including the name), in România, Slovensko and thus where I was. I doubt if it is good for any stomach - a healthy one or not :p


anh which kind of palenka have you drunk? So now you can (tudom(mirten) magyarom?) speak - understand hungarian....?:go:

Doux
21 Aug 2007, 13:22
Only a slight bit, Mircoslavux.. Hungarian is compleatly different from the Indo-European languages I know (the former being a Finno-Ugric language [controversial now, see wiki]), thus harder to learn. There are very few words which resemble the words I know and prepositions are actually suffixes.

I think it was a home-brewed pálinka from the village, by the way.

Dobber
21 Aug 2007, 13:53
Doux, your Hungarian beer is served!

IWM
21 Aug 2007, 16:54
Ice JASMINe tea please
For Indonesia!

Atmosphere
21 Aug 2007, 17:02
Can i have some English tea please :D

IWM
21 Aug 2007, 17:06
Can i have some English tea please :D

:D LOL

Tzar Simeon Veliki
21 Aug 2007, 18:20
Pass over a "Cloud" (mastika + mint liquor) and we'll all get drunk happily after :D

Dobber
22 Aug 2007, 02:52
The only tea I have here is "Long Island Iced Tea"! Sorry!

Frankoman
22 Aug 2007, 04:57
What is your selection on Lagers? :D

NikeBG
22 Aug 2007, 10:50
Palinka? Is that something like rakia (hmm, somewhat similar to brandy, I guess)?

Mircoslavux
23 Aug 2007, 15:21
I think it was a home-brewed pálinka from the village, by the way.

from which fruit? do you know, you see the word palinka was taken from slovakian palenka..(which is created from word palit - burn)....

I do not know, but I read in newspapers that czech movie star Bolek Polivka, want to give a name Slivovica to his daugther, maybe Elvain, could confirm it.
:eek: :go: :D :D :D

NikeBG
23 Aug 2007, 15:47
Slivovica? Now that's rakia for sure (at least on Bulgarian)! Made from plums, right? ;)

Xuca
23 Aug 2007, 19:59
If it is true what you read... poor girl. :D

Mircoslavux
24 Aug 2007, 10:06
If it is true what you read... poor girl. :D

he changed (bolek) a bit his mind and told that the first name of his daughter will be Mariana and the second will be Slivovica...so it will be Mariana Slivovica Polivkova...:D :D :D

Doux
24 Aug 2007, 13:01
he changed (bolek) a bit his mind and told that the first name of his daughter will be Mariana and the second will be Slivovica...so it will be Mariana Slivovica Polivkova...:D :D :DI just read that in China some parents want to name their child "@" and that a baby in Australia, that was to be named "4real", which was forbidden by court (names may not start with a number), will now be named "Superman"! :crushed:

IWM
24 Aug 2007, 16:34
I just read that in China some parents want to name their child "@" and that a baby in Australia, that was to be named "4real", which was forbidden by court (names may not start with a number), will now be named "Superman"! :crushed:

Right,I read it in Kompas. It looks like they a bit What we say?
In China there are many more parents give their son some crazy name:LOl

Liiwo
26 Aug 2007, 23:57
Everyone who wants to have some fun could check the screenshots of Knights of Honor at Strategy Informer. http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/knightsofhonor/screenshots.html#latest

Frankoman
27 Aug 2007, 06:19
Is it just me or do they look awefully familliar?

Oh, and I'd like a Burske', light on the Moat Water please.

Rnett
28 Aug 2007, 20:08
The bartender fell alseep again..:p

Doux
28 Aug 2007, 22:57
from which fruit?I think it was from apples.

Oh, and I'm craving for a fresh, cold glass of water after some intensive work; please, bartender!

Dobber
29 Aug 2007, 07:41
Everyone, help yourself! I am going to be in and out infrequently!

BTW, anyone want a bartending job?
With school, I don't have the time I used to have to be online!

Mircoslavux
29 Aug 2007, 12:37
I think it was from apples.

Oh, and I'm craving for a fresh, cold glass of water after some intensive work; please, bartender!

yes, we are burning our destilates ourself - from apples - Jablckovica, from pears - Hruskovica, from plums - Slivovica, and so on....hik hik....

Hawk Knight
29 Aug 2007, 16:08
Alright then *jumps beind the bar and puts his mouth beneath a tap and starts drinking :cheers:

Rnett
29 Aug 2007, 19:33
Come up for air once in a while....:cheers:

Xuca
29 Aug 2007, 20:04
Alright then *jumps beind the bar and puts his mount beneath a tap and starts drinking :cheers:

So did you let your horse drink or you made a typo? :)

Hawk Knight
30 Aug 2007, 00:32
So did you let your horse drink or you made a typo? :)


typing misstake ;) :o

Doux
30 Aug 2007, 12:42
So did you let your horse drink or you made a typo? :):D :cheers:

Navatar
4 Sep 2007, 23:01
A smirnoff Ice for me and a round of various drinks for everybody else, please. School has begun for real now.

And this is the last year for me! Then it's off to the "real" world (and/or even more studies :p)
Huzzah!

Rnett
5 Sep 2007, 18:32
Enjoy it while it lasts.:go:

Richard
7 Sep 2007, 20:30
I would like bottle of your finest wine. Let us toast on the immortal memory of the great Luciano Pavarotti. May his music never die:cry:

Hawk Knight
14 Sep 2007, 19:46
A round off XXL beer from me.

as today its my birthday :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Doux
14 Sep 2007, 20:12
Happy birthday Hawk Knight!
I'll take one of those :cheers:

Rnett
14 Sep 2007, 21:45
Happy Birthday Hawk Knight...:cheers:

Now somebody wake up the bartender ...:p

Xuca
14 Sep 2007, 22:04
Happy birthday Hawk Knight :cheers:

Navatar
15 Sep 2007, 01:31
Happy Birthday Hawkie! :cheers:

Carbon
15 Sep 2007, 02:34
This thread has reached 20 pages, wow!

Also, Happy birthday Hawk Knight:cheers:

IWM
15 Sep 2007, 03:33
Happy birthday Hawk_Knights!

elvain
15 Sep 2007, 11:04
happy buirthday Hawk_Knight :cheers:

Hawk Knight
18 Sep 2007, 00:37
thanks everyone :) :cheers: :cheers:

Doux
18 Sep 2007, 23:04
Now somebody wake up the bartender ...:pBTW, anyone want a bartending job?Appliances can be posted here. Required skills: you must be able to talk and hold two cans of beer in one hand. Anyone?

Navatar
19 Sep 2007, 00:44
I dunno...I like being on this side on the counter. And I would probaly forget to serve the patrons so i'll just sit here, staring at you'all untill someone serves me a Smirnoff Ica and some mead.

Starts staring impatiently

Navatar
22 Sep 2007, 17:56
Continues staring even more impatiently

Rnett
23 Sep 2007, 01:19
Time to get out the cigar box and self serve, everybody makes their own change...:cheers:

Mephistopheles
28 Sep 2007, 00:38
Finally I'm back after not being at home for one month due to an internship.
:cheers:

Doux
30 Sep 2007, 16:40
Welcome back Mephisto! As you might have seen already, momentarily there is no barkeeper. Thinking of which.. it essentially means free drinks for all!

Rnett
6 Oct 2007, 20:06
Time to get out the "For Sale" sign....:eek:

Mephistopheles
6 Oct 2007, 20:31
I don't think it'll fetch a good price during the mortage crisis.

IWM
7 Oct 2007, 16:52
Hey, Friends! Can you see my Blog?
It is indonesia7aksel.blogspot.com
If you can't understand you can use translator out there!
Sorry but I need an expert cause my teacher want it to be very good, but he didn't allow me to post in English

Anyone visit it??

Dobber
14 Oct 2007, 23:11
Time to get out the "For Sale" sign....:eek:

I dunno...I like being on this side on the counter. And I would probaly forget to serve the patrons so i'll just sit here, staring at you'all untill someone serves me a Smirnoff Ica and some mead.

Starts staring impatiently

Continues staring even more impatiently

I thought I made it clear with my last post in this thread!

Everyone, help yourself! I am going to be in and out infrequently!

BTW, anyone want a bartending job?
With school, I don't have the time I used to have to be online!

No one has applied for the bartending job, so it is still help yourself!

Dobber
14 Oct 2007, 23:16
This thread has reached 20 pages, wow!

Also, Happy birthday Hawk Knight:cheers:

I guess that really depends on how many posts per page you have set as your default to show. I am on the start of the 8th page. I have my settings set on 30 posts per page.

Carbon
15 Oct 2007, 22:16
I guess that really depends on how many posts per page you have set as your default to show. I am on the start of the 8th page. I have my settings set on 30 posts per page.

How do you do that? I did not find any option for setting posts per page.

Doux
16 Oct 2007, 17:33
How do you do that? I did not find any option for setting posts per page.User CP -> Edit Options -> Thread Display Options -> Number of Posts to Show Per Page.

Was there a finisher and publisher of the second Tavern story already?

Dobber
17 Oct 2007, 06:05
The story has not been finished!

IWM
19 Oct 2007, 12:03
Horray! I'm back to Jakarta!
For the last 5 days I'm in Wonosobo, Jawa Tengah (Central Java). And there is no i-net there.
I want Ice Tea please

mammix
21 Oct 2007, 21:22
10 minutes to end voting in poland...
gee, if our goverment wins again, i'm going to england for the rest of my life...

mammix
21 Oct 2007, 21:27
omg tx to our government voting will end at 21.00
even in comunism there wasn't such big troubles with voting oO

mammix
21 Oct 2007, 22:02
OMG MORE!!!
geee, kill them, please

Carbon
21 Oct 2007, 22:21
OMG MORE!!!
geee, kill them, please

Triple posting and spam = bad. Edit post instead.

mammix
22 Oct 2007, 00:16
sry, nervous.
but all went great!!! :)

Doux
22 Oct 2007, 17:28
Yeah, the outcome wasn't that bad at all. Everything but the Kaczynski brothers is an improvement.

mammix
22 Oct 2007, 18:30
no, there were 2 worse organizations ;)

Doux
23 Oct 2007, 23:58
no, there were 2 worse organizations ;)Ah, yes, you are right! Something of the radio Maryja type and another.. defence party or so.

mammix
24 Oct 2007, 00:19
Law and Justice was with Radio Maryja ;)
but worst were comunists and one stupid man who, fortunately, got only 1,3% ;)
people in poland become smarter and smarter ;)

Mephistopheles
24 Oct 2007, 17:44
I congratulate Poland to the outcome of the election and hope that it's an improvement for the polish. I followed polish politics closely lately and I think it's the best result, though I'm not quite sure how good Tusk will actually be. He changed his views quite radically in the past.

Doux
6 Nov 2007, 22:50
*Serves self a cool glass of special beer*

So, anything on lately? Any light subjects?

IWM
7 Nov 2007, 11:01
The ImgView is published by Frujin, more new image on WS, 2 threads about KoH 2,

mammix
17 Nov 2007, 22:44
yeah pl is very close to europe championship in football! :)

IWM
18 Nov 2007, 16:51
Need sweet Ice tea. Any tea.
If not then my head will explode/

Richard
18 Nov 2007, 19:27
Beer for all who wants to sing with me!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdO6xLqc-Yo

Frankoman
18 Nov 2007, 19:34
Loved it! Beer beer beer beer tiddly beer beer beer!

NikeBG
18 Nov 2007, 23:19
Wow, Bard's Tale - played it a couple of weeks ago and that song was my first "dialogue"! Now if somebody could find the other great song, "It's bad luck to be you", I'm gonna drink some beer for him! ;) :cheers:

Doux
18 Nov 2007, 23:38
Wow, Bard's Tale - played it a couple of weeks ago and that song was my first "dialogue"! Now if somebody could find the other great song, "It's bad luck to be you", I'm gonna drink some beer for him! ;) :cheers:Poor quality: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fKuVw8rDpLk

NikeBG
19 Nov 2007, 10:34
Poor quality: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fKuVw8rDpLk

Thanks, though I meant an in-game video (from the action phase, with the little goblins singing it). Still cheers though! :cheers:

Dobber
13 Dec 2007, 13:31
It is winter break at school and time to party!

I finished the term with four "A's"!

As a result, Drinks are on the house!

IWM
13 Dec 2007, 15:58
Horay!!
Now I will get to vacation soon too!
19 December!

mammix
13 Dec 2007, 18:08
i have 1 week more ;)

Xuca
14 Dec 2007, 01:15
Here it starts on 31st december... :(

Navatar
15 Dec 2007, 21:43
Shakes of the snow on his shoulders, Navatar enters the Tavern.

G'day folks! It has been a while since our beloved Sunflowers closed down.

What have you been up to then?

Oh, and bartender! Make me a drink please.
What kind you ask? Why, surprise me! ;)

Mephistopheles
16 Dec 2007, 00:53
There ain't much to drink around here. We've been mostly been living off love, air, dust, our ideas for KoH2 and wooden legs.
Try self-service...
*Mephistopheles points in the general direction of what appears to be the entrance to the beverages-cellar ... appears to... *

Dobber
16 Dec 2007, 01:02
Shakes of the snow on his shoulders, Navatar enters the Tavern.

G'day folks! It has been a while since our beloved Sunflowers closed down.

What have you been up to then?

Oh, and bartender! Make me a drink please.
What kind you ask? Why, surprise me! ;)


Okay, you're a "Bloody Mary!" You look awful I might say, all bloody!


Seriously, here is a Gin & Tonic, enjoy!

Navatar
16 Dec 2007, 02:51
Sips the gin & tonic and takes a seat
Thank you Dobber!

Love, air and dust, you say, Angr...*cough* Mephistopheles.
That reminds me of our beloved (not yet finished) tale! Anyone remember how many pages it was? 100-200?

All those creativity coconuts, smashing on our heads. I almost miss those times! :D

So, Dobber. I see you have returned to the classroom, no? What are you studying?
(pardon if there is a thread/post/hint already telling us that, but you know me. The lazy swede)

Dobber
16 Dec 2007, 07:46
The degree I am seeking is Early Childhood Education. I was planning to teach 1st or 2nd grade. But I may switch to a Biology Major and teach high school Biology.

Navatar
16 Dec 2007, 18:42
I wish you fortune then! It's well known that being a teacher isn't the most....appreciated job out there, even though it's one of the most valuable! ;)

Mephistopheles
16 Dec 2007, 19:01
1st and 2nd grade isn't too bad. But I don't think high-school teacher is a good occupation unless you are capable of building a very strong defense between what you experience at school and your personality.
Even as a pupil I felt sorry for the teachers. They start their job with so much enthusiasm and retire as a broken person.

Dobber
17 Dec 2007, 06:56
Yes, I agree, it is not the most appreciated(and also is not a well paying) job. But it is what I feel I will get the most satisfaction from. I want to make a difference in kids lives. Maybe I need to stick with the Early Childhood, I probably could make the most difference there. Although the thought of the challenge the other would present is intriguing as well. I actually have thought about being that strange teacher that does all the crazy unusual and unexpected things.

Doux
22 Dec 2007, 23:54
For those who are bored or would like to have a laugh:

Chat with God (http://www.titane.ca/igod/main.html)

maks
23 Dec 2007, 00:15
For those who are bored or would like to have a laugh:

Chat with God (http://www.titane.ca/igod/main.html)

Not good. In about ten minutes I coudn't make this thing speak of anything theologically relevant. And I was trying, too. Kind of a downer. Maybe it rather speaks of my English, though.

chalicek
23 Dec 2007, 01:34
beer (rather czech, but laso belgium or bulgarian - good), wine (rather red)