View Full Version : KoH Open - kingdom competition
oh, I should summarize all rules into the first post.
If you can download the savefile (http://www.rome.webz.cz/KoH_Holy_Rome_mod.htm - look at the bottom part), play it (it is unmodded with pause during battles off on hard)
the goals are:
to unite Byzantia without losing independent church.
post your screenshot and scores every hour
additional goal:
When you unite Byzantia, conquer Rome and keep it for an hour and post a screenshot and your score after the hour.
Also during this part post screenshots and score after every hour played.
The highest score from each hour gets 100 points, the second 70, third 60 and all others 50
the one who unites Byzantia the first gets 501 points.
The one who conquers Rome first gets additional 201 points,
the highest score an hour after conquest of Rome gets additional 101 points too.
Important: There will be time limit 5 days since the first who achieved certain point (so you have 5 days to play the first hour - after that 5 days the 1hour the scores are counted - and the same with all other steps)
Mephistopheles
16 Mar 2008, 15:55
I'm thinking we could setup 'missions'. Instead of just trying to do as good as possible the task would be to fulfill certain criterias in the least amount of time possible.
Typical tasks would e.g. be to start as Hungary wihout a sea-border and try to construct an admirality. Or to start as England and try to lead a crusade against Fatimids, which of course demands getting one of your clerics elected pope. Successfully claiming the title of europe would also be a nice task. Or start as Byzantia and claim Rome for the empire... and live through it for a while ;) .
well, that's nice too, but a bit too time consuming.. but just another possibility...
I was more thinking: let's start with a game and stop it after few hours.. and the highest score wins... just with some basic requirements or limitations: if we play as Armenia - do whatever you want, just keep your church independent, as Karaman do not fight Seljuks etc.
Or we can complete the hardest unification quests - those of uniting Byzantia in High or Russia in whatever period you want :) Or begin with one of the Bulgarian provinces in Late and defeat Ottomans (that's a dream come true to me :D)
Frankoman
17 Mar 2008, 02:20
Well I've got the Norman Reunification going, but nobody seems to have tried it out.
I also noticed one more proposal to play as Bohemia in the early period.
So I think - to fasten things up - we should somehow vote for the best of proposals. My final will be Epir - try to reunite Byzantia.
So those of us who made more than one proposal, make just one so we can vote and start the competition. At the end I will make a list of final proposals and we will vote for the best, something like this:
the voting options are:
1) Epir (1200) - reunite Byzantia
2) Turnovo (1350) - reunite Bulgaria and eliminate Ottomans
3) Normandy (1000) - unite England
4) Bohemia (1000) - build admirality*
5) England (1200)- get a pope and preach crusade into Palestine
*my personal combination of 2 proposed - one from the Paradox forums and the one by Meph
in your vote make a list of options from the most favourite to the last (giving 5-1 points to each) and at the end, the one with the best rankings will be played, is it ok?
my ranking:
1. Epir (5 pts)
2. England (4 pts)
3. Bohemia (3 pts)
4. Turnovo (2 pts)
5. Normandy (1 pt)
The rules will be:
1) after every hour of game everyone posts a screenshot of his overal score and political situation. The one with the highest score gets 100 points
2) when someone achieves the goal, he gets extra 501 points, the competition is finished - total number of points is counted and the most points in total wins
3) of course play fait = no cheats!
PS: if you have any ideas concerning the rules, feel free to post them please ;)
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well, so anyone interested?
I started an Epir game (will upload the save soon)
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3674/epircj8.png
after an hour I expanded to the north and acquired Zeta from Serbia and my score was 149.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1690/1hrw2.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1hrw2.png)
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4372/1hscorefk5.th.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1hscorefk5.png)
It will also be important to post screenshots of every hour, just to see if the church remains independent - at least untill Constantinople is acquired (or - better - untill Byzantia is reunited)
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/9F/59/6808cf2daee99f59.jpg
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/53/73/495a0f0bb0bf5373.jpg
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/EB/49/eb37a25dfa75eb49.jpg
Well, I'm playing with Epir on Hard with HR mode and managed to unite Byzantia :) The second shot proves it :p Meanwhile Leon managed to unite Spain as is seen in the first shot. at the moment I'm in war with the Golden Horde. I'm sorry if this is a competition for unmoded game though :confused:
Well, I played with Epir on Hard with HR mode and managed to unite Byzantia but I forgot to take a shot :bash: I'm on second place with a score about 520 or something and I'm in war with the Golden Horde.
as soon as I will get rid of some problems I have, I will upload the savefile and you can play your part of this competition.. but it is for unmodded games only.. you will move the savefile to your savefiles and run it :)
Haha too early you posted this man, I already fixed the problem with the shots :) But I'll be glad to play unmoded to be fair :)
ok, so the savefile is at the bottom of this webpage:
http://www.rome.webz.cz/KoH_Holy_Rome_mod.htm
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3674/epircj8.png
additional rules:
keep your church independent
post your scores and screenshot every hour
when you manage to do the goal, post it with the time :)
PS: What? you united Byzantia in less than 2 hours??? OMG!!!
anguille
20 Mar 2008, 17:26
I will play as well...
So Epir?
What should i do?
oh, I should summarize all rules into the first post.
If you can download the savefile (http://www.rome.webz.cz/KoH_Holy_Rome_mod.htm - look at the bottom part), play it (it is unmodded with pause during battles off on hard)
the goals are:
to unite Byzantia without losing independent church.
post your screenshot and scores every hour
additional goal:
When you unite Byzantia, conquer Rome and keep it for an hour and post a screenshot and your score after the hour.
Also during this part post screenshots and score after every hour played.
The highest score from each hour gets 100 points, the second 70, third 60 and all others 50
the one who unites Byzantia the first gets 501 points.
The one who conquers Rome first gets additional 201 points,
the highest score an hour after conquest of Rome gets additional 101 points too.
Important: There will be time limit 5 days since the first who achieved certain point (so you have 5 days to play the first hour - after that 5 days the 1hour the scores are counted - and the same with all other steps)
Denisold
20 Mar 2008, 18:12
Hi Elvain - where do we place your file after we download?
I have your save_66.save downloaded - but can't find anything under the KoH directories which suggest where to put the file. I have the directories packs, shots, and system under KoH - but no indication under any of these directories of where saved games (mine or your download) get stashed.
PS You organizing this mini-competition is a good idea for trying to explore how we can get some form of multiplayer operating in KoH - maybe it will lead to something simple that could be included as multiplayer in KoH2.
documents and settings/your profile/application data/black sea studios/knights of honor/save
Denisold
20 Mar 2008, 20:22
Thanks Elvain - put your file in corrrect directory - but still having a problem.
Select 'save 66' from list on saved games screen - hit load - KoH completely quits.
Must be something in your file my laptop doesn't like - all other 'saves' on my list load OK.
it's odd...
anyone else had the same problem?
Denisold
21 Mar 2008, 16:51
Hi Elvain - had a go at playing 'Epir (1200) - reunite Byzantia' but used regular start (on Hard) as Save_66 wouldn't load. My start conditions had 1 province feature (vs your 2 in save_66 screenshot) - other than the start province features I suspect that most other internals the same?. After 1st hour had 143 points and owned 2 provinces. Anyone else playing?
I don't know how to paste saved screenshots to these posts.
Denisold, you can upload them at www.imageshack.us or photobucket or other images hosting sites...
I played another hour and here are results:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7416/2hnx5.png
expanded 2 more provinces - I conquered Solun from Saloniki (eliminated), but before that my ally Croatia asked me to attack Hungary and I conquered strategically crucial province of Macedonia, but as you may see at the screenshot, my focus is not in fast military expansion, but somewhere else. I'm afraid you all will have higher scores than I have (i don't like to deliberately declare wars) - my main goal is to take Constantinople peacefully
my score was 427
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4630/2hscorelj2.png
It's pretty hard to get it another way than war ;) But, then again, it's hardly conquered with a bunch of peazants - only the marshals survived when I conquered the City of cities. Anyway, I wish you all good luck. If the save is for HR mode, I'll give it a shot, otherwise I already united Byzantia so it's just not so much of a chalenge for me :)
it's for unmodded games, I don't want to force anyone to play a mod just to have the competition ;)
well, ok then, I'll be watching with much interest if there are 3-4 competitors :) alas, I don't see anyone unles you :confused:
Denisold
22 Mar 2008, 01:04
At end of hour 2 - provinces held 6; points 634
ImageShack wouldn't accept my other 2 screenshots "file format isn't supported" - this uploading/downloading is a pain for someone like me who isn't that computer literate.
Hopefully there is another way to input scores/evidence for this type of a 'competition' (ie especially if this style of competition makes its way into KoH2 as one approach to multiplayer).
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5240/h2shot0002ju0.th.png (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h2shot0002ju0.png)
anguille
22 Mar 2008, 11:48
it's odd...
anyone else had the same problem?
Yes, me...somehow the salve file is only 15 ko of size...way too small to be a normal save :confused:
Yes, me...somehow the salve file is only 15 ko of size...way too small to be a normal save :confused:
I tried to load it and it worked fine.. (with 4.something MB) Then also tried it on other computer and worked just fine, I don't understand it. Do you really have unmodded versions? (even without my mapchanges)
anyway, here is my 3rd hour. I bet it will be the weakest 3rd hour of all who will play.. I tried to annex Athens through espionage, but when my spy finaly got chance to be crowned, he got killed (the duke of Athens was heirless and my spy was their best marshal) and soon after that Athens were eliminated by Fatimids :bash:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5473/3hzt3.th.png (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3hzt3.png)
now I have the same plans with Latins (we had more than good relations, I was just waiting foe my prince to grow up and marry their princess, but I slightly missed it.. it was very unlucky hour. so the next one will be much more about steamrolling
because this score after 3 hours is really terrible:
only 529 and 4 provinces :bash:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6976/score3hwn3.th.png (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=score3hwn3.png)
PS: if the sve doesn't work, we can start some other, some of you can upload it and we can all play ;)
Denisold
22 Mar 2008, 16:54
An Edit - sorry Elvain - it should be Byzantia (not the Balkans)
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Hi Elvain - about to start the 'dreaded' 3rd hour.
Need some info re end point of this 'competition' - can you make a list of those provinces that make up the Balkans for period 1200? I need this in order to know which direction I should choose.
My current status - hold the 6 provinces that were at war with me at start game - no unrest in my territories - now on good terms with all other countries. Obviously I will have to break some relationships to progress - this will likely hurt my Kingdom Power 5, and produce the 'dreaded' 3rd hour.
btw, I have edited the link so there is a .zip of the save, so it should work now
Denisold - to control Byzantia you need to conquer the provinces of which Athens, Saloniki, Latins, Nicaea and Thebizond start with. After that you should get Cyprus, Crete, Armenia's province (ot the province of Armenia the one down in the Asia Minor) and Capadocia
Denisold
22 Mar 2008, 19:55
Denisold - to control Byzantia you need to conquer the provinces of which Athens, Saloniki, Latins, Nicaea and Thebizond start with. After that you should get Cyprus, Crete, Armenia's province (ot the province of Armenia the one down in the Asia Minor) and Capadocia
Thanks Altair
Denisold
22 Mar 2008, 20:32
btw, I have edited the link so there is a .zip of the save, so it should work now
Hi Elvain - still having the same problem - game crashes when I hit load of your new save_66.save from saved game list. The file gets to me but no indication of it being zipped ie no extension like .zip on the file, just .save - but file very tiny at 90kb and not 4Mb like most saves
should be fixed now. (at the same place, just zip download)
If even this doesn't work, I surrender
Denisold
23 Mar 2008, 21:10
should be fixed now. (at the same place, just zip download)
If even this doesn't work, I surrender
I have to also surrender - file came zipped - ran unzip - said no files to unzip - thanks for your effort.
Denisold
23 Mar 2008, 21:32
End of Hour 3 - 8 provinces - 927 points
This hour mostly about warmongering - very little diplomacy, trade, or those things that made 1st hour interesting - game getting monotonous (and a little boring) - don't know if I will do the 4th hour.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4227/h3shot0000td0.th.png (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3shot0000td0.png)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8550/h3shot0001pb7.th.png (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3shot0001pb7.png)
ok, next time someone else will upload the save, I don!t understand what's wrong :bash:
btw, Denisold, you lost independent church.. :sad:
anguille
24 Mar 2008, 12:30
I tried to load it and it worked fine.. (with 4.something MB) Then also tried it on other computer and worked just fine, I don't understand it. Do you really have unmodded versions? (even without my mapchanges)
The problem was the save (too small). I've just cleaned up my hard drive and will try to download it again. ;)
Edit...the size seems ok now...will play today
Just one question - does it matter if you lose independent church when you rule Constantinopole ? Cuz I did...
it is just one of conditions I (personaly) found as important. My personal importance of having independent church is: as long as there is other than orthodox ruler of Constantinople (the patriarch is subordinated to some fake ruler) my church should remain independent from this puppet patriarchate. Once I take Constantinople, the patriarch is "under my controle" = no need to have indepedent church.
but I don't like to look like some dictator that gives us all rules... in fact I hate it :) so don't take it seriously
Denisold
24 Mar 2008, 16:51
btw, Denisold, you lost independent church.. :sad:
Hi Elvain - I missed this condition completely
I presume the independent church you are referring to is the church of Epir province? and the 'end goals' for the tourney are the 2 conditions: reunite Byzantia, and maintain the church of Epir?
Hi Elvain - I missed this condition completely
I presume the independent church you are referring to is the church of Epir province? and the 'end goals' for the tourney are the 2 conditions: reunite Byzantia, and maintain the church of Epir?
oh, I meant "don't lose the patriarch" :) but nevermind, go on ;)
btw, here's my hour 4:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8793/4hqo2.th.png (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4hqo2.png)
my despot died childless just exactly "on time", I seriously feared I will lose all I conquered during the hour (though last 15 minutes were all about increasing happiness to prevent breakup of the entire kingdom).
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8308/4h2tb6.th.png (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4h2tb6.png)
score 1149
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5223/score4htd3.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=score4htd3.png)
Oh, I almost got Thrace from Latins, but my spy got killed by Sicilian army and then Sicily inherited it from the Latins. Poor bad luck :bash:
Denisold
24 Mar 2008, 18:13
oh, I meant "don't lose the patriarch" :) but nevermind, go on ;)
The Patriarch passed away sometime in hour 2 - I wasn't aware of his presence in the Royal Court as significant (I don't remember his demise having much influence on my game conditions). Am I missing something here? re Patriarch's importance to overall game play.
The Patriarch passed away sometime in hour 2 - I wasn't aware of his presence in the Royal Court as significant (I don't remember his demise having much influence on my game conditions). Am I missing something here? re Patriarch's importance to overall game play.
if you have the patriarch your orthodox church is independent, you have no morale penalty, no gold bonus, but independent church gives you books bonus. Sadly influence of religious bonuses is not that large...
Denisold
24 Mar 2008, 18:21
Sadly influence of religious bonuses is not that large...
Yes agreed - IMO religion needs a full overhaul for KoH2 - see my thread "Role of the Pope?" but it didn't stimulate much interest
soooo :D
At first hello to all! ;)
I also started to play with Epir, here are my screens after one hour:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-a.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-a-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-b.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-b-jpg.html)
The wars with Venice and Serbia stopped with a white Peace. But Sicily conquered Zeta and declared war on me, and at that time i finally was able to recruit some better troops ;)
I stopped war with Sicily after my Despot died.
Only thing i hope for now, is that my patriarch lives long enough to educate the next cleric :D because long time I had no money to pay a clerics wage :eek:
greetz
Eurus
PS: I use the German version so the names are a bit different :)
and now:D
My screens from after the second hour:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-c.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-c-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-d.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-d-jpg.html)
It was very easy to conquer that big parts of Hungary, as they were in war with Kumans and had low acception (-3) in their own land, followed by two rebellions. I got Dalmatia, because my prince is married to the croatian princess.
All regions have accepted the orthodox religion:)
greetz
Eurus
anguille
25 Mar 2008, 09:22
Moin...i've been eliminated after 50 minutes...Hungary and Athen jointly invaded me with 6 armies and crushed me...:bash:
Nice game though :go:
Well, that's why I kept good relations between me and Hungary. It is powerful from the start of the game but not too big to be crushed by hundreds of armies from 10 different countries , f.e. Holy Roman Empire. Anyway good job with those games, dudes :go: Btw, elvain, how about a little competition with Leon uniting Spain after you finish this one :)
Moin...i've been eliminated after 50 minutes...Hungary and Athen jointly invaded me with 6 armies and crushed me...:bash:
Nice game though :go:
will you give it second try?
Well, that's why I kept good relations between me and Hungary. It is powerful from the start of the game but not too big to be crushed by hundreds of armies from 10 different countries , f.e. Holy Roman Empire. Anyway good job with those games, dudes :go: Btw, elvain, how about a little competition with Leon uniting Spain after you finish this one :)
Leon in early or late?
though I should do other things, we'll see :D
anguille
25 Mar 2008, 23:31
will you give it second try?
If i still can? then yes, i would :)
If i still can? then yes, i would :)
sure...
And now 3 hours ;)
That was a piece of work though:D
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-e.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-e-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-f.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-f-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-g.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-g-jpg.html)
I was forced into an repeated war with hungary by the allied Kumans. It was solid battle, they had four armies whereas I had two. Unfortunately my Despot died within the war, so I had to recruit an new marchal. But also the King of Hungary died:) in a battle with my good roman infanterists...
After the conquest of Buda, and the Death of their King, they accepted Vassality again.
At the end of the Hungarian War, the Naples declared war on me and sailed with 5! (in words: five) armies to Dalmatia. Bad for them, that my best marchal came just at time to beat them out of the land. Also the King of Naples died on battlefield in my land, so i could conquer their last province, as the others had rebelled (look at map: Apulia)
At last, at the try to convert the religion of the province Hungary to orthodox Christianity, my Patriarch died:confused:
I hope its okay, that i try to get independent again. (Churches for Books are already in almost every city)
greetz
Eurus
wow!
I think it's ok, that you lost your patriarch.. maybe those who lost should just get some penalty? what do you think?
but hey, what about Byzantia? you expand deep into Europe, but the Latins still keep Constantinople and survive.. and Nicaea is pretty powerfull...
btw, here is me after 5 hours
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5872/5hbh6.th.png (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5hbh6.png)
nothing special, but I'm getting closer and closer to Constantinople. I got royal wedding with sicily, but those bastards let me inherit Bdin and Moesia instead of the only province I wanted: Thrace. So I gave them Bdin and demanded Thrace, but they didn't even want to exchange it for other province... The more I tried the more it was clear I will have to start a war against them.. but next hour promises some great successes :) (but I'm afraid they will all be way too late)
score looks little better than the map view, because my power really increased more than my territories... so 1518
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5817/score5hfc8.th.png (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=score5hfc8.png)
elvain, about my proposal, let's say in Late when they got one province :) btw, I already played two hours with them, maybe I'll play a third and wait for you. I'm playing with HR mod so if it's ok with you to install it, it will be great :D
Edit : Ooops...I played half an hour or so and I annexed Castilia and exchanged Andalucia for Valencia...which caused the reunited window and so...:bash: Damn there won't be any intriuge now:cry:
I think it's ok, that you lost your patriarch.. maybe those who lost should just get some penalty? what do you think?
Thats a good idea to solve the problem, i already thought of that too :D
Hmm, I know that I am deep in Europe but all this wars were forced. I always have reacted not acted. But as I hope their is some air now, i'll focus on Thrace;)
greetz Eurus
PS: Perhaps you could start a new thread for Leon, Altair?:)
anguille
26 Mar 2008, 23:19
Lol...lost again...Naples invaded me 10 minutes after the start...didn't have any money to raise an army...:rolleyes:
Denisold
26 Mar 2008, 23:30
I think it's ok, that you lost your patriarch.. maybe those who lost should just get some penalty? what do you think?
I lost my Patriarch sometime in hour 2 - he apparently died (of old age?) - I wasn't aware of anything that I was doing that would result in losing the Patriarch.
Is there any strategic thing that the player can do in order to keep the Patriarch in the game? (or recreate a Patriarch)? If there is then a penalty is good; if not, then no penalty.
elvain, about my proposal, let's say in Late when they got one province :) btw, I already played two hours with them, maybe I'll play a third and wait for you. I'm playing with HR mod so if it's ok with you to install it, it will be great :D
Edit : Ooops...I played half an hour or so and I annexed Castilia and exchanged Andalucia for Valencia...which caused the reunited window and so...:bash: Damn there won't be any intriuge now:cry:ok, check http://forums.blackseastudios.com/showthread.php?t=821, I think it's better to play without HR mod (there I explain why)
Thats a good idea to solve the problem, i already thought of that too :D
Hmm, I know that I am deep in Europe but all this wars were forced. I always have reacted not acted. But as I hope their is some air now, i'll focus on Thrace;)
ok, so both you and Denisold get -50 points, at least I still have some chance :D
anyway, good luck in your Byzantine campaign. Important is to conquer Thrace, Nicaea, Ttrabzon, Athens and all greek Balkan provinces as well as Anatolia and Antalya, maybe als Crete. Latins, Saloniki and Athens have to be eliminated, maybe also Nicaea and Trebizond
PS: Perhaps you could start a new thread for Leon, Altair?:)
I already did http://forums.blackseastudios.com/showthread.php?t=821
Lol...lost again...Naples invaded me 10 minutes after the start...didn't have any money to raise an army...:rolleyes::eek: what a bad luck, mate...
maybe give it the last try? 3 is magical number (btw, do you play with my savefile? if not I will send it to you via e-mail?)
I lost my Patriarch sometime in hour 2 - he apparently died (of old age?) - I wasn't aware of anything that I was doing that would result in losing the Patriarch.
Is there any strategic thing that the player can do in order to keep the Patriarch in the game? (or recreate a Patriarch)? If there is then a penalty is good; if not, then no penalty.
yes there is.
once you have 5 star cleric, open your piety/religion window and declare your church independent. Once you lost independent church this will authomaticaly lead to war against Nicaea and some relations penalty with all orthodox-dependent kingdoms (the war with Nicaea could be useful, thuogh :) ) Once you have patriarch, try to have another 5star cleric at the moment of his death, your church then remains independent (don't need to hurry, Patriarchs usualy live almost twice longer than kings. Last note - the 5 star cleric should not be your crown prince!)
so do you agree you will get one -50 penalty? I'm sorry, I thought it was clear and didn't think you didn't know how to keep the church independent. I'm very sorry :bash:
uuups, already there what i wanted to say :)
greetz Eurus
*nowplaying*
Denisold
26 Mar 2008, 23:56
so do you agree you will get one -50 penalty? :
Yes - agreed
ok :go:
I achieved the first quest at 5:53:05 - Byzantia united
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/738/byzantiafx7.th.png (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=byzantiafx7.png)
and my scores after 6 hours:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5738/6hyt5.th.png (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6hyt5.png)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3739/score6hlh5.th.png (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=score6hlh5.png)
so here are our scores:
after 1 hour:
1 Eurus 149 (2 provinces) (24th) - 100 pts
2 Elvain 149 (2 provinces) (25th) - 50 pts
3 Denisold 143 (2 provinces)
? anguille ???
scores after 2 hours:
1 Denisold 634 (6 provinces) - 100 pts
2 Eurus 607 (8 provinces) - 50 pts
3 Elvain 427 (4 provinces)
after 3 hours:
1 Eurus 1332 (13 provinces) - 100 pts -50 penalty - lost patriarchate
2 Denisold 927 (8 provinces) - 50 pts -50 penalty - lost patriarchate
3 Elvain 529 (4 provinces)
after 4 hours:
Elvain 1149 (9 provinces)
after 5 hours:
Elvain 1518 (10 provinces)
5:53:05 Elvain unites Byzantia
after 6 hours:
Elvain 2731 (20 provinces)
total scores now:
1 Eurus - 200 (250 - 50)
2 Denisold - 100 (150 - 50)
3 Elvain - 50
? Anguille - ?
anguille
27 Mar 2008, 09:48
:eek: what a bad luck, mate...
maybe give it the last try? 3 is magical number (btw, do you play with my savefile? if not I will send it to you via e-mail?)
I am playing with your save...i will try again...:cool:
Gratz to uniting Byzantia elvain :go:
Let's see when I accomplish it :D
My results for hour four:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-i.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-i-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-j.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-j-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-h.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-h-jpg.html)
As you see, patriarchate is restored, and Alexandros I. :D is hard working to convert those catholic provinces.
Hungary secceded but i didnt want to conquer them, because that would have caused trouble with Italy, Papacy and Poland.
Instead i conquered Thrace and Sinop, the two Latin provinces, because they had war with Fatimids and Nicäa, so Thrace laid uncovered and waited to be picked like an apple from the tree :D
The next things I plan is war on Bagdad, to get Cyprus and Kilikia. Perhaps it is possible to infiltrate Nicäa with spys or to inherit them, I will see;)
Funny thing: Every time i want to apply a spy to my court he is immediately arrested and I get 6800 gold from Papacy as fee :rolleyes:
Instead i conquered Thrace and Sinop, the two Latin provinces, because they had war with Fatimids and Nicäa, so Thrace laid uncovered and waited to be picked like an apple from the tree :D
The next things I plan is war on Bagdad, to get Cyprus and Kilikia. Perhaps it is possible to infiltrate Nicäa with spys or to inherit them, I will see;)
Funny thing: Every time i want to apply a spy to my court he is immediately arrested and I get 6800 gold from Papacy as fee :rolleyes:
to have some chance to win I should keep it just for myself, but you don't need neither Cyprus nor Kilikia to unite Byzantia - they will become part of your realm once you unite it. So I think it is better for you to do something against Nicaea..
and hey, you have no spies at all.. and maybe Papacy plays spy games on you :D make your king a spy to protect your court or it may lead to terrible consequences for you. Be careful!:go:
Denisold
27 Mar 2008, 18:59
After hour 4 - provinces 10 score 1348
Good progress re 5 star Cleric - converted one province (Athens) to Orthodox; one left (Solum) to convert. I presume that after all provinces in Kingdom are Orthodox then the process to convert Kingdom to Independent (and get a Patriarch) can begin - correct?
Image Shack is being temperamental re accepting my upload (sometimes it accepts, sometimed no) - for me all this uploading is not too pleasant - but yes, 'evidence' to support claims is needed for any on-line competition.
nono, no need to convert all provinces. Open your piety window and click at the fist icon - declare your church independent
Here we go:D
Byzantia is restored after 4 hours 44 minutes:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-k.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-k-jpg.html)
Its a pity that i made it with a war, but thats also a possibility in Knights of Honor :D
Results for hour five:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-l.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-l-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-m.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-m-jpg.html)
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/46xk-n.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/46xk-n-jpg.html)
The only war in this hour was with Nicäa and I have to thank them, that they already had all the province I still needed for restoration.
Shall the Glory of Alexandros, Despot of Epirus and Emperor of Byzantia never perish from the earth ;)
greetz
Eurus
Denisold
28 Mar 2008, 23:15
Byzantine reunited - Time 4:33 Score 1886
Still having problem between me and Image Shack - only accepted one of my screen shots
Elvain - thanks for initiating this little competition - it added another dimension to KoH.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4765/shot0003kh5.th.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0003kh5.png)
Denisold
29 Mar 2008, 17:42
"PS: Denisold, please of possible post the screen shot f byzantia reunited, not that I wouldn't believe you, but just to have everything completed"
Yes Elvain you need the screen shots - but I seem to have a problem between Image Shack and my laptop. So far I get maybe 1 out of 3 accepted by IS - the rejects state "file format you have attempted to upload not supported". I'll keep trying but my patience is being stretched!!!!!(especially when some of them go, some not)
"PS: Denisold, please of possible post the screen shot f byzantia reunited, not that I wouldn't believe you, but just to have everything completed"
Yes Elvain you need the screen shots - but I seem to have a problem between Image Shack and my laptop. So far I get maybe 1 out of 3 accepted by IS - the rejects state "file format you have attempted to upload not supported". I'll keep trying but my patience is being stretched!!!!!(especially when some of them go, some not)
recieved my PM?
what format you use?
I also had these problems, but after I changed the files format, it accepts 90% of my pictures
Denisold
29 Mar 2008, 18:54
Haa!!! I got it to accept - in Paint program I reduced picture size to 75%, file size now about 1.26Mb (vs 1.5Mb at 100%)
It seems that Image Shack says it accepts files to 1.53Mb free, and anything larger you need to 'sign up' for about $75 per year - oooooh those clever schemers, setting acceptance at the borderline file size, and trying to make a buck on the Internet!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7347/shot00001km3.th.png (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot00001km3.png)
Denisold
30 Mar 2008, 01:23
So now let's start rush for Rome. The one who first captures Rome gets +201 points, and after you unite Rome play one more hour and then the one with highest score 1 hour after conquest of Rome gets 100 points (apart from regular 100 points for the one with highest score in normal hour).
Loss of Rome is another -50 points penalty
So, let's go and Finnish the last stage of this contest! :go:
This a pleasant surprise - to add an unexpected 'second lap' into the competition is an interesting twist.
I played the last 1/2 hour of Byzantia 'first lap' very aggressively (ie placing 3 marshals at walls of Constantinople, then declared war on the very powerful kingdom the Fatimids, and took Constantinople from them quickly before they could react, and got the prize 'unite Bzyantia')). Sooooo - to reenter the game I am going to have to try to quickly recover my good relationship with the Fatimids - me thinks this could be quite a problem!
Anyway Elvain I think your 'experiment' of a injecting a little competition (via your tournament) into single player KoH has much potential re a form of multi player. If a few more play then there should be good suggestions from them on how a good multi player version of your competition might be included in KoH2.
hehe, so then I have little advantage, because I was prepared for this and tried to keep good relations with them all the time (except one short war to take Hellas from them), but then married princess and some gold gifts improved relations so the only problem at the east was Baghdad..
But still I'm afraid I am too delayed after you so I won't be able to catch you up. And from omy own experience 1 hour is long enough to face the initial wars with all those catholic kingdoms (who don't invade as much as they should - at least not with unmodded game) and then recover (with some possible re-expansion against just few eemies.
Concerning the multiplayer. This is just one of options and it is more of a contest/competition than real multiplayer. We all have equal start conditions, but don't play AGAINST each other. But I agree it opens some perspectives and can give some ideas for a future KOH2's multiplayer
Only 26 minutes after reunition of Byzantia I incorporated Rome into my dominions without DoWs and my former extraordinary good diplomatic relations with the most owerfull of near catholics gave me oportunity to use 'catholic wars' for expansion against small guys instead of defending my lands from strong invadors.
6:19 Rome under Byzantine rule
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9779/romepp6.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romepp6.png)http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7582/rome2cg4.th.png (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rome2cg4.png)
PS: my proposal for a third lap I can upload a Unite_Rome quest. With this quest we can all try to reunite Roman empire (the conditions will be clearly shown) what do you think?
Did your spy become the king(or whatever) of Papacy ? Because my messages get very different :| But to reunite the Roman Empire...now this is almost impossible...I love it :D The quest should be to control 50 provinces or so and after completing it you should get about 10-15(provinces, not K gold :P)
PP Sorry about the Leon competition...I'm busy with my studies and I don't have enough time for KoH :sad:
Did your spy become the king(or whatever) of Papacy ? Because my messages get very different :| But to reunite the Roman Empire...now this is almost impossible...I love it :D The quest should be to control 50 provinces or so and after completing it you should get about 10-15(provinces, not K gold :P)my spy was hired as merchant and I annexed it (I think they assigned him to govern a province)
the Rome quest would be to controll european mediterraean coast, Italy, Greece parts of Asia Minor (west, coast), Spain (east coast), France (south coast, south), Germany (south) etc.
PP Sorry about the Leon competition...I'm busy with my studies and I don't have enough time for KoH :sad:nevermind, I'm busy too, just that my sickness makes it impossible to me to be concentrated so I can only waste my time here and there.. can't do anything serious what needs concentration now :(
Denisold
30 Mar 2008, 18:35
Concerning the multiplayer. This is just one of options and it is more of a contest/competition than real multiplayer. We all have equal start conditions, but don't play AGAINST each other. But I agree it opens some perspectives and can give some ideas for a future KOH2's multiplayer?
Elvain - I think we should move 'multiplayer' comments over to Frujin's thread "Multiplayer in KoH" (his question "How you imagine this guys? Share your "imaginations"); and expand how an on-line 'tournament' feature might be included in KoH2 - OK?
Posting multiplayer comments in this thread could go quickly off-topic - and just muddle up your attempts to organize and score this competition.
Denisold
30 Mar 2008, 18:56
PS: my proposal for a third lap I can upload a Unite_Rome quest. With this quest we can all try to reunite Roman empire (the conditions will be clearly shown) what do you think?
I like it when you combine 2 conditions as the quest goals (ie reunite Byzantia, and maintain the Patriarch) - this makes the player more alert to various developments as game progresses.
How about double goals something like: capture a specified kingdom, and hold a specified Kingdom Advantage; OR build a cathedral, and a library; OR ...............etc
well, that's why I added 'the patriarch condition' :D
anguille
31 Mar 2008, 10:53
PS: Anguille still waiting for your results, I hope you finaly found your way and can change the final scores :)
Not yet...didn't have any time this weekend...had to prepare the room for the baby...
Will try this week...
if anyone wants, you can still join the 'tourney' if you want..
anguille
12 Apr 2008, 19:49
I am on a business trip the next 3 weeks but will definetely give a good try when i come back.;)
I would like to participate in this tournament if it is still possible
I allready played the 1th hour, i conquered zeta and athens and made peace with venice so i could sign a trade agreement with them later on:p
Serbia also signed a peace treaty after they lost zeta, but now that my king died, they declared war on me again:)
I didn't had to conquer athens so early, but when i saw they were still having only 1 marshal and were able to create swordsmen overthere i decided to take the province just for the money .... and the swordsmen offcourse :D
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4825/epir1hng5.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir1hng5.jpg)
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5048/epir1h2wu1.th.jpg (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir1h2wu1.jpg)
ps, i hope the screens work because i am not used to post on forums
and you all can read my texts
hi, welcome to the tourney, of course you can join it.
Just I can't see the screenshots, use the link that is described as thumbnail (1)
good luck :go:
thanks elvain
the screenshots should have to work now
my scores after 7 hours:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6545/7hgm5.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7hgm5.png)
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3746/7h2xp1.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7h2xp1.png)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/967/score7hrg2.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=score7hrg2.png)
I inherited territories from Hungary (3 provinces), one province I got from Croatia to declare war on Germany (it was only a question of time when will Germany declare it on me so I agreed) sadly I don't remember from who I conquered those Italian provinces, but If I remembercorrectly it was mostly Genoa, Italy and Sicily as these 3 were trying hard to conquere Rome from me and restore papacy. Luckily (for me) they all failed and as they were losing their marshals one after another, my other 2 marshals were traveling from east to west between defending my eastern provinces from Abbasids to conquere Italian provinces from that catholic coalition. Fortunately it was too weak to cause me serious troubles (lose a province), even though they weren't far once or twice when one of my marshals was busy in the east and the other defending Rome and the third in some other province (defending it aswell)
My game ends at 7:19, one hour after conquest of Rome:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3853/end1vl6.th.png (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=end1vl6.png)http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9551/end2li4.th.png (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=end2li4.png)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9752/scoreendot7.th.png (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scoreendot7.png)
I continued to sign one peace after another and those countries that didn't agree had to face army rebellions caused by my spies :D and finaly they agreed. The only expansion was on account of Genoa which was eliminated.
And here are the result of hour 2 and 3
In the 2nd hour i decided to give the improvement of hellas a priority, so i could create roman infantry.
It took almost the complete hour before i was able to create 9 squads of them, so i only managed to conquer serbia's last province
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8538/epir2hlg0.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir2hlg0.jpg)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9026/epir2h2wx0.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir2h2wx0.jpg)
Hour 3 was much better in every aspect:)
I lost my church due to not having a 5-star cleric (he had only 4) but the church was restored 10 minutes later.
The war with Niceae that followed because of that action was a complete succes, i captured 3 provinces in 5 minutes time:D mostly because their only marshal (who is their prince) was defeated and captured so they were unable to give me any resistance
The negatives are that Latins broke their trade agreement and declared war on me, so did Trebizond and Armenia
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1793/epir3hoe3.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir3hoe3.jpg)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/10/epir3h3xf2.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir3h3xf2.jpg)
thanks :go:
so here are our scores:
after 1 hour:
1 WiKi 156 (3 provinces) (21st) - 100 pts
2 Eurus 149 (2 provinces) (24th) - 70 pts
3 Elvain 149 (2 provinces) (25th) - 60 pts
4 Denisold 143 (2 provinces)
? anguille ???
scores after 2 hours:
1 Denisold 634 (6 provinces) - 100 pts
2 Eurus 607 (8 provinces) - 70 pts
3 Elvain 427 (4 provinces) - 60 pts
4 WiKi 195 (4 provinces)
after 3 hours:
1 Eurus 1332 (13 provinces) - 100 pts -50 penalty - lost patriarchate
2 Denisold 927 (8 provinces) - 70 pts -50 penalty - lost patriarchate
3 WiKi 736 (8 provinces) - 60 pts -50 penalty - lost patriarchate
4 Elvain 529 (4 provinces)
after 4 hours:
1 Eurus 2217 (17 provinces) -100 pts
2 Denisold 1348 (10 provinces) - 70 pts
3 Elvain 1149 (9 provinces) - 60 pts
4:33 Denisold unites Byzantia + 301 points for Denisold
4:44 Eurus unites Byzantia
after 5 hours:
Eurus 4053 (31 provinces)
Elvain 1518 (10 provinces)
5:53:05 Elvain unites Byzantia
after 6 hours:
1 Elvain 2731 (20 provinces)
6:19 Rome conquered by Elvain + 201 points for Elvain
after 7 hours:
1 Elvain 3812 (29 provinces)
total scores now:
1 Denisold - 491 (0+100+70-50+70+301)
2 Elvain - 381 (60+60+0+60+201)
3 Eurus - 290 (70+70+100-50+100)
4 WiKi - 110 (100+0+60-50)
5 Anguille - ?
PS: I am waiting for your results in 'Rush for Rome' part :)
Also it seems you can endanger Denisold's primate in conquest of Constantinople, especialy if you are at war with Latins. With 4th player the competition starts to be even more interesting. Great :go:
Maybe Denisold will be mad at me, but i beat his record and restored byzantia 5 minutes before the 4th hour passed:
Byzantia restored at 3:55:55
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3041/byzantiazd4.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=byzantiazd4.jpg)
Thrace was conquered just 5 minutes before, so i only needed the province of Trebizond to restore Byzantia
In this hour, Seljuks declared war at me and invaded constantly my province of Capadocia, unfortunatly for them, it had 6 squads of 3-star roman infantry to defend it by then (a nice reward to those men for previous campaigns:D )
A funny moment was the capture of Trebizond, it was defended by Seljuks king, who was stupid enough to leave the castle and camp outside it just when my marshalls arrived,
i killed their king and then easily captured the province:cool:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7854/epir4hox1.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir4hox1.jpg)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/976/epir4h2bg7.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir4h2bg7.jpg)
Next target: the destruction of Rome an their pope!!
The results of 5th and 6th hour:
5th hour: I only captured Kurdistan and Armenia, Seljuks last 2 provinces
for the rest, i spend my time on strenghtening my defenses in all the towns,
who were constantly suffering from rebellions
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6540/epir5hyu5.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir5hyu5.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/258/epir5h2qw6.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir5h2qw6.jpg)
6th hour: I captured Bdin, Macedonia and Moesia from Hungary.
It's a shame i still cant attack Rome for the last 2 hours because of my non-agression pact i signed with them sinds the 1st hour :confused:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2282/epir6hbw8.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir6hbw8.jpg)
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2365/epir6h2uv0.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir6h2uv0.jpg)
Denisold
18 Apr 2008, 00:37
Maybe Denisold will be mad at me, but i beat his record and restored byzantia 5 minutes before the 4th hour passed:
Byzantia restored at 3:55:55
Hi Wiki - great playing :D :D - did you like playing against the clock?
hey, Denisold, how about you and Rome? Do you plan to conquere it?
and nice WiKi.. I was already worried we won't stand a chance against you... I wonder if you manage to beat me in my absorbtion of Rome (I can hardly cal it cnquest as I had 2 spies there :D)
@elvain: I am sure that i wont beat your record in capturing rome
I signed a trade-agreement with papacy in the beginning of the game due to nobody else willing to sign one with me, and i made the mistake of accepting an non-agression pact to, so i would lose much kingdompower if i just break relations with them:confused:
my spy is trying to infiltrate, but no knight has died there in the last hour
@denisold: i didn't do so much effort in trying to unite them before the 4th hour just to be the fastest, i just took advantage of Niceae, Trebizond, Latins and Seljuks declaring war on me:D
Denisold
18 Apr 2008, 21:23
[QUOTE=WiKi;8566
@denisold: i didn't do so much effort in trying to unite them before the 4th hour just to be the fastest, i just took advantage of Niceae, Trebizond, Latins and Seljuks declaring war on me:D[/QUOTE]
Good stuff Wiki - obviously there are a dozens and dozens of ways to play this great game - to see some other approaches to solving a common problem is very interesting.
I played 2 more hours today
unfortunatly i forgot to take screenshots of hour 7, i'm sorry for that, but i'm only human
Nothing special happened in that hour, i was the whole time busy to fight with rebels, the Baghdad-Fatimids alliance, Napels, Georgia and Cumans
Dobrudzha and Moldavia from Cumans are the only new provinces i took
In hour 8 my spy finally managed to get hired in papacy, unfortunatly as a marshall
I captured no provinces this hour, so the score of hour 8 would almost be the same as for hour 7, i may just be a little higher due to the towninprovements
This was an hour full of invasions, at some time i was fighting against the Baghdad-Fatimids and Golden Horde-Teutonic order alliance all at the same time invading my lands, even recapturing Moldavia and Crete
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/460/epir8huh8.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir8huh8.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3988/epir8h2st5.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir8h2st5.jpg)
The goal for hour 9 is to end the 3-hours war with Baghdad and Fatimids by totally annihilating them, and hoping to spoil my relations with Papacy so they declare war on me instead of me having a big penalty in kingdom power by declaring war on them
ok, so what is at least your estimate for 7th hour? just if it wasabove or below my 3812.
Also I think you should consider (should have considered) breaking the NA pact with them as this seems to last way too long in this game, especialy when we all play against time. Also it is always better to have 2 or even more spies and use them for long-run goals.
Also why you didn't try to constantly support enemies of Papacy, or attack their friends and convince them this way to cancel your NA pact?
Denisold. Any news from you??
My score was below yours elvain, there's only 600 points difference between hour 6 and 8 and then you still have a 100 points more than me
It took so long because i fight most of the battles myself, i have allways done it that way and didn't wanted to change that
last results:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/730/epir9hwk5.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir9hwk5.jpg)http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/6348/epir9h2px9.th.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epir9h2px9.jpg)
Papacy was not at war with anybody and constantly offered me alliance-offers, which i rejected
at last they signed an alliance with fatimids, and so i attacked them and baghdad, but they still didn't declare war on me
My spy became king of papacy and i let him hand the crown to me
so i finally got rome at 9:22:00
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2961/romecapturedtj8.th.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romecapturedtj8.jpg)http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8963/romecaptured2km3.th.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romecaptured2km3.jpg)
I played an hour more and my game ended at 10:22:00
fatimids was defeated and i concurred sardinia with its university so i could have won the game with a minor victory at 10:15:00
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5267/end1gn7.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=end1gn7.jpg)http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/835/end2ip1.th.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=end2ip1.jpg)
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9930/end3ap2.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=end3ap2.jpg)http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9425/advantageswp3.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advantageswp3.jpg)
Maybe you could give me a penalty for taking to long or so
Denisold
20 Apr 2008, 22:47
Denisold. Any news from you??
Elvain - I haven't been playing since the Byzantine stage - I've been busy working with a group of people on a genealogy project marking the 300-year anniversary of our ancestors emigrating from the Palatine region of 'old' Germany (to North America) - this will likely keep me from continuing in your tourney. Sorry (but prioities sometime take over).